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10 July 2017 @ 08:35 pm
Improving the system  
We INTJ's are system builders. Our archetype is known as Mastermind, Scientist or Strategist. But I once read one that was unusual but accurate. The Outside Contractor. We come in see what the problem is in a system and fix it. If the system is a failing business we do not care about social relationships and who's friends and who's enemies. The point is to fix the system and we cut out those that are holding the system back without care for feelings or personal attachments. That is why we are so effective because we are so objective and well ruthless. I was having a conversation with jokerforever and he showed me a picture someone had made of animals that represent each of the types. I was fairly impressed and I don't easily impress. But that wore off quickly and soon I could not stand the flaws. It's all I could see and they had to be fixed. The system had to be improved on. We do not focus on the positive because that already works it doesn't need our attention. We focus on the negative because that is where improvement is required and one of our mottos is "Bottom line: Does it work?" So this is the old flawed picture I was shown.

Some of the animals were wrong. Dead wrong on the Seal for INFP. Seals are happy social, optimistic creatures. So that would not stand. The second issue was this person was obviously an N and probably an NF because all the N's got positive descriptions while all the S types were dumped on. So that had to be fixed. Cue the objective NT to fix the mess on an idealistic NF. Lastly, this person is from tumblr. That had to be fixed. So now I present to you the improved and corrected animal Myers Briggs chart and descriptions.

So this person almost had it right but not quite.

Ok if you read my post about how it's difficult to surprise me with gits well it happened today. Ironic I was just talking to audes_lj about this. A little back story. I had ordered two giant microbes as gifts. I had also written to the company to ask them why they got rid of the Add to Wish List button but still have a Wish List. Isn't that dumb and you can't add stuff to your list anymore so why have it? He asked me what microbe I wanted to add. So I told him about geobacter and thought he would manually add it for me. Nope bu the wished me a happy birthday filled with geobacter. I got suspicious and wondered if I might be getting one as a just because since I've been a loyal customer for years and been ordering every year from them. Hummm? I wonder? Anyway been watching the tracking and today I get my order. YAY! Two bags? WTF? I then thought maybe they put each microbe in a separate bag OR they sent me a free geobacter. That would rock. So I tore into one of the bags all excited. There was an orange plush. Geobacter??? No this wasn't Geobacter. What's this? I didn't order this. From Audes? OH NO MY GIFT!!! Darn it. So thank you for the early gift and sorry I accidentally opened it. Oh man we were just talking about this. It's funny and annoying because I'm not one of those impatient kids or people that can't wait to find the gift and spoil it. I really do like to wait for the special day to open gifts. But I have this curse thrust upon me. I can't pretend I didn't see it or forget about it. So thank you for the Neurax Worm and Krill. A harmless creature and a cool dangerous fictional creature with mind control powers. I loved the Neurax campaign actually. I named mine Alaskan Bull Worm. BTW I'm currently playing the Simian Flu right now. I lost the first time around and will try again soon. Wanted to ask those of you that play Plague Inc. Does your game have a glitch? Mine has no music. I've been looking forward to this mission but it's a bit boring with no music. The music gives this game awesome atmosphere. I don't know if it's just me or if this version is messed up for everyone. Also I think I'm actually a big fan of the Apes movies. The new Planet of the Apes movies. I could never get into the originals despite them being classics. I can't wait for the new Apes movie to open on Friday. I want to go see it on opening day. So Wed and Thursday I will watch parts 1 and 2 to be caught up on what happened and have those fresh in my mind when I see the new one.

I didn't work on any art today but I wrote a whole story for the drawing of George. So please check that out when you have time. I'm very excited about it and love how it turned out. I want to draw more scenes from it.
actipton80actipton80 on July 11th, 2017 12:57 am (UTC)
If they are going to give me a turtle, couldn't they at least give me one that isn't ugly?
Des: Ophidius Concernedthagirion on July 11th, 2017 01:04 am (UTC)
But it's the coolest one in the world.
Alligator snapping turtle. That's King Bowser Koopa from Mario Bros.

Seriously I still have the psd file. I can change these if you think they are wrong. What turtle would you like?
actipton80actipton80 on July 11th, 2017 10:33 pm (UTC)
I'm fine with it, now that I know more about that particular turtle. Still think it's ugly even if it's cool.
Desthagirion on July 11th, 2017 10:59 pm (UTC)
Ok, glad you're fine with him now. They are pretty interesting. So powerful.
shanglong87: It's me Guy!!!!shanglong87 on July 11th, 2017 06:26 am (UTC)
The curious thing about this is that last months i was thinking about what kind of animal could represent each MBTI type and now i read this cool post, thank you!
Aww i like we INFJs are represented as panda bears, rare but hopefully we are not endangered as in past years and better not to mess with us. I watched a Youtube video where a panda in a zoo (chinese zoo) attacked violently a person who sat near the cage. The panda grabbed his jacket and if it weren't for other people the panda would maul the person. Plus they are not always vegetarian. If they find a dead animal they eat it (i saw a photo of a panda eating a takin). Actually i don't know if panda killed it or not but i don't rule out this species is able to hunt some preys if given opportunity.
Anyway i remember a video talking about INFJs and they were represented as panda XD so when i saw this image i said "YESSS!"
I love other representation of other types.
Yes tumblr is mostly frequented by NFs types, especially INFPs.
The Alligator Snapping Turtle is freaking awesome, i love it D:

As for the gifts if i wanted to buy you a giant microbe i would buy a................Neurax Worm because it controls mind and is related to CNS and this fits perfectly to INTJs considering they are mind-orineted type. If i think of you i think about brain, mind, intelligence etc.
Sometimes i find creepy how i think same things of my friends, have smiliar thinking pattern or how some similar events that occurs to you, happens to me too.
When i played the Simian Flu (one of my favourite level because i love to kick humanity's ass with another species XD) there always be music. I agree music is wonderful! There are not creepy sounds like the little girl singing Ring a Ring o' Roses. It's actually the only level when i keep music. I find strange, have you checked settings? In Settings you can turn off or turn on music.
Des: Gamingthagirion on July 11th, 2017 11:48 am (UTC)
Oh wow cool. I'm glad I could post something you were thinking about then. Yeah Joker showed me this and the wrong parts just bothered me as this was so close to being awesome and perfect. I'm glad you approve of the panda as I am open to suggestions on animals or text that might still be wrong for the types. I didn't like they posted "rare" because it's not a personality trait as AudeS said. It's one reason I changed it. Also if you want rare then INTx are the rarest types. I love it that "vegetarian" animals do eat meat sometimes. You can't really get protein from just plants anyway. Even things like peanuts which drives me nuts when people say they are "meat". No they have no muscle tissue they are not meat. They are vegetables. They finally learned pandas are related to bears so they are dangerous too like other bears.
I'm glad you like the other types. I had to change some of the text and make it bigger because they are hard to read. I hate tumblr. It is a place used by lowlifes and brainless losers mostly. It is for people that lack communication abilities.
Glad you like the alligator snapping turtle. I think they are such bad ass turtles and so cool an interesting video game villain was inspired by them.

Aw thanks. That's nice you thought of buying me a microbe. Seems AudeS had the same idea. So annoying I accidentally found it. Aw I'm honored you think of me in those terms. So cerebral. Hehe.

Perhaps my game just loaded incorrectly. I had trouble with the PS4 on my trip and then I had to reconnect online here when I got home again. It should just auto detect. I don't know why this is not a feature. The music was working everywhere else so it was a glitch on that one level. I will have to try again today and hope it works. The music makes a huge difference and without it it's not the same.
shanglong87: It's me Guy!!!!shanglong87 on July 11th, 2017 12:11 pm (UTC)
Crows are animals i see as ENTP despite being black according to human eyes (many birds are able to see UV so what they see is not what we see in terms of wavelengths) because they are eccentric, smart, intuitive and very curious about the outer world.
Yes rare is not a trait and NTs are definitely the rarest, especially in these times where we see a lot of stupidity in the world.
I'm glad they finally understood pandas are bear. Since i was little i always saw them as bear and i didn't understand why they were classified as Procionidae. Before it was discovered its affinity with red panda in 1901, it was known as Parti-coloured bear. The giant panda's closest extant relative is the spectacled bear of South America. There is also Qinling panda: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qinling_panda

When i first discovered Alligator Snapping Turtle i then figured out that Bowser was inspired by this cool species.

Like AudeS said it might be due to Playstation specific code. Let's hope it will be sorted out because the music on that level is awesome. Speaking of new Planet of the Apes movies i love these movies, this evening i will watch the second movie on TV *_*
Desthagirion on July 11th, 2017 12:35 pm (UTC)
Yes they do fit especially with the whole trickster mentality.
I remember documentaries when they kept saying they were related to red pandas and I just didn't see it. I never believed it and now glad genetics has proven that wrong. Good. It's interesting that spectacled bears are are basically a south American version of our common black bear. Ok that's not a subspecies and should never have been made one. It's a color mutation like you see in domestic animals and pigeons. If it was a bird I'd call it a cinnamon. Color mutations tend to be smaller than the normal wild type. I don't know why biologists have such a hard time with this concept. They should hang out with animal breeders more.

One thing that bugs me is there is a stupid debate for ages now with Bowser that some people say he's an ankylosaurus. How can they think that if he is the king of a bunch of turtles? Why would an ankylosaur care about controlling turtles? He's a snapping turtle. It's so obvious even the shape of his tail and he has a shell not plates. When I see pics of these turtles I can see how this is Bowser.

I will try to play later today and hope the music works. Is the level's music unique? I liked that I think the Neurax music was unique from the one you always hear on other levels.
shanglong87: It's me Guy!!!!shanglong87 on July 11th, 2017 12:46 pm (UTC)
As for simian flu theme, here you can listen to the theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1SerCnEWSM

I agree they should hang out with breeders more since they know this subject better. I also agree with the fact Qinling Panda is just a colour mutation.
What? Bowser an Ankylosaurus??? It doesn't make any sense.
Desthagirion on July 11th, 2017 12:55 pm (UTC)
Thank you for sharing the song. I am listening to it now. Oh I love the faster part of the piano. I love music that causes tentions but well you know how fear oriented I am. I am my boy after all. I have a very hard time reading emotions on other people, except fear. I recognize this expression right away and it gets my attention. The way that in this story Fear noticed the one enemy that showed even a tiny hesitation and he was drawn to it right away.

Yeah it amazes me how "new species" are classified when they are just a color mutation.
I know. The whole ankylosaurus think is so silly. Some people really think that.
shanglong87: It's me Guy!!!!shanglong87 on July 11th, 2017 05:30 pm (UTC)
You are welcome^^
Glad you like it. This evening i will watch on TV second movie of the Planet of the Apes series "Dawn of the Planet of the Apes". Curiously this song doesn't induce me any fear, just a sense of peace, calm, reflection, planning and arise of a new species.
I don't have any problem at reading other people emotions both negative and positive. I liked the part were Fear noticed the tiny hesitation moment of the enemy plus i found fascinating he can recover from other people's fear.
Desthagirion on July 11th, 2017 11:29 pm (UTC)
That's great. I like that movie too. The first one is my fave though. I beat this level finally after a third try. The music is super quiet and almost not there. I don't like that.
shanglong87: It's me Guy!!!!shanglong87 on July 13th, 2017 10:29 pm (UTC)
I love the CGI in this movie *_* and i truly enjoyed the movie i watched three days ago.

By the way i forgot to thank you for changing "rare" with "helpful" for us INFJs, rarity is not a trait and yes helpful is best adjective to describe INFJs since we live to help others.
rollertroller: Master Fiendish Grinrollertroller on July 11th, 2017 07:47 am (UTC)
I also don't focus too much on what's positive either when there's a problem with something.
I actually have seen this one before, though I am glad that Jokerforever found one that was more clear and that you improved on that picture to be more accurate. I like that the Tiger is the INTJ while the lion is an ENTJ. However I do prefer yours over the old one with the butterfly and the cockatoo as well as the descriptions.
That is dumb that they got rid of the Add to Wishlist. Yet that's neat that you got those two including the neural worm from Plague.Inc despite accidentally opening the birthday gift early. Oh I prefer the recent Planet of the Apes film over the old ones that I saw, though funny enough I haven't actually seen the original classic. I look forward to seeing it when released in theaters here.
I saw your story on George and I'll enjoy reading it when I have time.

Edited at 2017-07-11 07:49 am (UTC)
Des: Fear Insanethagirion on July 11th, 2017 11:54 am (UTC)
Yeah there's no need. What's positive and working doesn't need attention. I hated it when my mother used to tell me I was so negative and only focused on the bad. I know now it's because I'm focusing on what needs to be fixed.

Thanks. I LOVE that we got tiger and it fits so well. Yeah I don't need to be king of the jungle like ENTJ. I just need my space and to be respected. If not then I can just eat my enemy. The old one was very flawed so I made the font bigger and easier to read. Also yes those two animals had to be changed. Cockatoos are very emotional parrots. I had one and have seen how easily they get distressed over nothing. In a way it also fits INFP since they fall part like that while other birds are tougher.
I remember one apes movie from a few decades ago where at the end of the movie the apes were driving cars and were police officers. I did not like that movie at all. I love the new ones with Caesar though.

Ok thanks. That's fine. I know it takes time to read a long story like that.
rollertroller: Wyrm Lungrollertroller on July 11th, 2017 07:12 pm (UTC)
I've also been told as such from others sometimes as well, yet the negative usually catches my attention more when it comes to issues.

I love it as well since Tigers along with leopards tend to be some of my favorite big cats. I also have a Papo figurine of a tiger rearing up on it's hind legs with both paws raised, canines bared and ready to claw at a rival, I think it's a nice reflection of an INTJ on the defense. I'm glad to know about the emotional side of Cockatoos as well. Oh no, you saw that Tim Burton adaptation of Planet of the Apes, sorry to hear about that, I watched a review bashing on that one, so it's good I missed seeing it. So stupid that the film reveals an Ape-raham Lincoln statue at the end. The worst Apes film I saw was the sequel to the original, which I thought was confusing and boring. I certainly enjoy Caesar in the new ones as well, he's my favorite along with Koba.

You're welcome, I'll take my time.

Edited at 2017-07-11 08:12 pm (UTC)
audes_ljaudes_lj on July 11th, 2017 09:47 am (UTC)
You only had to say Tumblr to make know what was wrong. Sadly, that website is basically the facebook of raging NFs that wish the system to burn, not fixed. A significant difference, we INTJs do fix errors instead to have a working system. *chuckles* But yes, I find your version to be a certain improvement. Mostly with INFJ, where rare is not really a personality trait, while helpful is. Though, having ENTP as a parrot and an INTP as an owl is pretty neat, as both got the fitting archetypes attached to the personality. Naturally, I find it fun to see myself as a tiger, since well, it does fit in a few ways, tigers are quite intelligenct and will maul people that bother them. And Rahula got the panda, which is pretty neat. And Peregrine gets the Alligator Turtle, which basically speaking is the closest in real life to a dragon turtle (which as I learned thank to a youtuber are a thing).

Ah, funny how that came about, but I am glad it arrived. I took the Neurax worm, because it was part of Plague Inc. and the Krill because it looks nice. Of course, now that I think about it, I never had that glitch myself. Maybe I should test around however, it could perhaps be something with the Playstation specific code.

Edited at 2017-07-11 09:47 am (UTC)
Des: Gamingthagirion on July 11th, 2017 12:10 pm (UTC)
Ha yes. I had to remove the "sig" since I'm sure none of those photos were taken by that person. Basically it's a bunch of art theft and why I didn't sign it myself and free for anyone that wants it. I hate that place is just so full of art theft to the point they are even unaware you are not supposed to use photos without permission.
Yes it's one of our driving forces to improve and fix errors. We are good because we focus on what's wrong. Glad you like my version. Yes Rare is not a trait. It's a condition and if they are going by that then INTx are the two rarest types.

I love that we got Tiger and I think it's so appropriate for the reasons you stated. I was totally fine with that. I think it's cool ENTP specifically got blue and gold macaw. Of the large macaws blue and golds have been described as the tricksters and practical jokers so that fits. Chris approved of the owl so yes they got all the NT's right at least. ACTipton is also ISTJ. I love alligator snapping turtles. The most bad ass turtle out there and the inspiration for Bowser.

I love the Neurax worm. I'm glad you got me that. Yes the krill was very cute. I hope they fix the wish list so I can add new things to it. I wonder if it is a PS4 glitch because the music works everywhere else and it's not in my settings. My settings are correct. I will have to play an older level and see if the music works since I had trouble while on vacation and perhaps stuff got messed up.
audes_ljaudes_lj on July 11th, 2017 03:33 pm (UTC)
Considering the styles of photography here, as well as the range of animals, definitely the case, if you ask me. Of course, copyright itself does allow to reupload other people's work non-commercially. With their permission that is, and by giving credit.

Ah, I see. So Actipton prefered a different turtle I suppose? Well, I guess tastes go apart, I find this one to be a clear winner for myself. It just got this cool mouth, which already tells you that it is not taking any BS.

Excellent, I had a feeling you would like them both. Of course, hopefully they fix it, so for Christmas I know what to take. As for the glitch, a few people got it on the PC version as well, where you are supposed to clear the cache, though... that is platform specific.
Desthagirion on July 11th, 2017 05:06 pm (UTC)
See people misunderstand that. Giving credit is not enough. I do not allow anyone to use any of my stuff without permission even if they credit me. I think they've made the laws less strict which is wrong and doesn't protect the owner like it should.

Not sure how to dump the cache on my playstation but I'll look into it. Maybe just restarting will help. I'll have to find time to mess with it.
jokerforever: Spite's Smilejokerforever on July 11th, 2017 09:27 pm (UTC)
Ah nice to see you improved the chart I shared with you. I prefer this one actually, at least the font is more easily readable , not to mention this is more accurate with the butterfly as INFP and the cockatoo as ISFP. I enjoy that I am an owl as I'm certainly happy to be so wise and calm ;).

So the company you ordered from online has a wishlist and yet no way to add anything to it? Sounds pretty fishy to me. Yetthat's so funny you opened AudrS's gift early accidentally XD.

I quite enjoy the new planet of the apes films as well, I could never quite get in to the old versions either despite, I hardly remember much about them except for two lines , "It's a mad house!" or " Tou maniacs! You burnt it up! Damn you! Damn you all to hell!", and that's about it. I think the new movies have the overall better story.
Desthagirion on July 11th, 2017 11:34 pm (UTC)
I'm glad you like this better. Yes the text and the two photos are just better now. I think owl for INTP works quite well.

They used to have a feature you could order from and add to the wishlist. But it was a tiny font and always hard to find. Now it is totally gone. He told me they plan to bring it back. They never should have removed it. They should have made the link bigger and easier to see.

I'm glad you agree on Planet of the Apes. Yes those are the famous lines. I just know the first new film tied in well because they showed the astronauts leaving for Mars that were the ones in the original. And in the original they mentioned the first ape to resist said "No" and they did that. So that was good. I'm curious how they'll remake the original once they get to that point.
Calzephyrcalzephyr77 on July 25th, 2017 02:12 am (UTC)
"Free spirited and sensitive" sounds like Muffin :-) I often wonder if Feisty is an introvert budgie since he doesn't have an interest in the new budgies.
Des: Gaus my budgiethagirion on July 25th, 2017 02:31 am (UTC)
Ha the cockatoo family is definitely that way as far as parrots go. He might be. Just like people most birds are extroverts but some are introverts.